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his neuroses all over the AAPL boards again. I was curious how many lines in I could get before finding a factual mistake in his post. The answer is one. In the very first line: The batteries don't last more... the new macbooks all tested in at less than 4 hours of use. Delmas uses the following _link_ as proof . I provide some extra quotes from the same _link_. http://gizmodo.com/5287179/macbook-pro-2009-review In our test, the 13-inch MacBook Pro got 3:31 of battery compared to the 3:46 of the 15-inch MacBook Pro. We used the same metrics as the previous MacBook Pro test—medium brightness, Wi-Fi on, keyboard backlight on low, H.264 movie—and got about an hour more on each machine. That's a pretty incredible jump just from a change (non-user replaceable battery) that most people won't notice. The purpose of this test was to compare battery life of the new model versus the old model, not to measure how long it lasts. Running an H. 264 movie until the battery wears out is not the typical way that battery life is measured. I doubt there would be more than a handful of laptops of any brand capable of running under the same config for as long. In gizmodo's own words an hour more , against a _base_ of 2hours something. IOW, almost 50% more battery life. To spell it out for Delmas, that equals MORE, a difference in battery life that a geek website calls pretty incredible . Lastly, note that gizmodo *itself* says that most people don't care about user replaceable batteries. To emphasise the point, they earlier state: ... which boosts battery life at the expense of not being able to be changed out in the field. This, for the large majority of people, is a good thing. Delmas is pulling a Risky now. He cites an article that says almost the exact opposite of the position he is taking, and compounds it further with a factual error. I would actually prefer that this was simply Delmas being too dumb to understand that he's wrong. However, Delmas is not dumb. He's more than smart enough to know what he's saying is BS but posts it anyway in an attempt to win an argument. I didn't read the rest of Delmas' post. It would take me hours to catalogue all of the mistakes it probably contains. On Jun 12, 6:56 pm, Draiko <
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wrote: On Jun 12, 12:41 pm, WildTurkey <
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wrote: Delmas - god you are an idiot Trading more battery life for lack of swapability was a very smart move - very few spare batteries are sold today - and their external power solutions that extend the battery life significantly - I have one for my iPhone that I take with me on longish plane trips - works great and allows me to watch more than one movie. The batteries don't last more... the new macbooks all tested in at less than 4 hours of use. Unless a notebook can last over 8 hours on one battery, it needs the ability to swap batteries in order for it to REALLY be a viable portable device. Can you keep a Macbook and an external battery on your lap comfortably? How about on an Airplane tray table? Sorry, it doesn't work. Notebooks are supposed to be bult for mobile computing in small spaces. I have an airbook - bought it on day one - great machine - never once felt like I needed to swap out my battery... You mean a Macbook Air? what do you use it for, slicing cake? Did your hinges break like thousands of other Macbook Airs? 80 city wimax coverage won't cut it - the US phone market is made up of over 300 cities - got to serve them all to matter - that is why AT&T is Apple's partner. 80 of the US's most popular cities blanketed in highspeed wireless that works... no contract and low costs... If 1/3 of the US population gets it and half of them buy it, it'll be a whopping success. Sprint and Clearwire stated that WiMax will reach 120 million people by 2010. WiMax is going to be the fastest wireless connection in the US until 2012... WiMax wave 1 (current WiMax) is twice as fast as 7.2 HSPA's top theoretical speed. The AT&T deal does put stress on both parties - networks are expensive to build and predicting how much capacity is needed to meet the needs of users is not easy either - you and others screamed about crappy iPhone performance a year ago when the problem was clearly network capacity constraints. That still reflects badly on Apple, who should've anticipated that or controlled availability. AT&T needs to build more capacity - it knows this - it doing so as fast as it can... No it is not... they still haven't even started the HSPA 7.2 update and most people are still having iPhone 3G issues even a full year after release. But nobody knows what will happen when the new 3GS users start straining the current system - hence waiting a while for MMS was a good idea... The only reason why AT&T is waiting on MMS is because of a clerical error in the way MMS was disabled for iPhone users....http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/06/08/the-reason-why-att-wont-sup... Dell will buy Palm - screw it up and that will be the end of that... Not if the new WebOS devices are a success... which the Pre is already off to a great start You have been beating the Tegra drum for over a year - NOBODY CARES - NOBODY!!!! um, you're wrong about that one, buddy... This is just a list of the ODM netbooks ready for release:http://www.nvidia.com/_object_/tegra_odm_devices.html Your example is great - but it is not relevant until it goes national - if it ever can and does... Apple is doing just fine without any need of you advice - it is just as crappy now as it was a year ago... And whatever happened to that PRE shortage we were told was coming - seems like they are pretty easy to find and not selling all that well... Apple has presold more 3GS upgrades than PRE will sell this year.... You're really a funny guy... all of the above is crap-level guesswork and speculation. On Jun 12, 12:10 pm, Draiko <
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wrote: Yes, you should trade the stock _base_d on how you feel about the company but don't EVER lose sight on the competition... EVER! Also, don't be afraid to recognize any weakness in your stock's strategy and/ or product/service lineup. In Apple's case, the iPhone 3Gs and Macbook Pro lineup have some serious overall flaws. Example: Apple's choice to take away a swappable battery on all Macbooks will kill the Macbook's business and poweruser appeal. These flaws are hitting right as Apple's competition is gearing up to hit hard with revamped products touting user experiences that meet or beat Apple's and feature sets that really bury anything Apple has to offer. Examples: More Palm WebOS devices and Apps, Netbooks, TabletPCs with multitouch, nVidia Tegra _base_d mobile devices, WiMax, Game consoles with online marketplaces that replace iTunes... Also, Apple's iPhone is severely hindered by AT&T. With WiMax hitting 13 cities in 2009 and expanding to 80 by 2H 2010, AT&T's 7.2 HSPA won't just be outclassed in speed but also in time to market. The iPhone 3Gs' 7.2 HSPA hardware works in fewer locations than WiMax right now and full 7.2 HSPA deployment won't complete until 2011 or 2012... which is when LTE deployment will BEGIN. Imagine a Palm Pre-like device that can browse the web at 13 mbps while in a car going ... read more »
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lol.The only bargain is at $80 or below On Jun 12, 7:56 am, Susanni <
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wrote: I thought AAPL is a - Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text - bargain at $137ish.
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Apple has more in common with CROX than Palm does... Apple's money is made on _style_, not substance. iPhone 3Gs received a good bit of flak for looking exactly like the iPhone 3G and not having the much-rumored matte finish... what other Tech company gets flak like that? MSFT is a sleeper. Windows 7, ZuneHD, Windows Mobile 7, and the Xbox will end up as a very slick ecosystem. RIMM is dead unless they can make a decent touchscreen device. The Storm and the Storm 2 are not decent touchscreen devices. Google needs to pick up the pace with Android. Amazon is doing well, but they need to drop prices on everything that has to do with the Kindle. Cisco is now a big WiMax supporter... like Sprint, Google, Intel, Clearwire, Comcast, Time Warner, etc... if Cisco and Intel are Growth Tech stocks, then Sprint is as well. On Jun 12, 11:29 am, JBMoney <
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wrote: Draiko, Another failure of critical reading... GROWTH TECH STOCK does not include MSFT, SPRINT, WMT and PALM, well PALM is like CROX. It can be up 20% today and down 30% tomorrow. Different. Take a gander at RIMM, GOOG, AMZN, GLW, CSCO, INTC, EMC, VMW to name but a few. I exclude MSFT because it has not been a growth stock for almost 10 years. It may become one again in the future, but Windows 7, ZuneHD and loss leader XBOX ain't gonna get it done. On Jun 12, 11:21 am, Draiko <
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wrote: That's kinda funny... Sprint, Palm, Microsoft, Walmart and a few others are all up On Jun 12, 11:20 am, JBMoney <
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wrote: ORRRRRR, it could be because almost every growth tech stock is down the same or more than Apple today in a broad sell off that has nothing to do with anything other than an absence of buyers and profit taking on a Friday. On Jun 12, 11:16 am, studio (n) <
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wrote: Wow, Draiko. Go post on engadget or somewhere else where all the fanboys post, and leave these forums for grownups plz.
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On Jun 12, 7:56 am, Susanni <
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wrote: I thought AAPL is a bargain at $137ish.
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June 26, 2009. Snow Leopard is a $29 service pack update (or $129 for those that don't have 10.5) You're right about the GPUs... I was looking at last year's model. Apple is at fault for AT&T dragging it's feet... why not put pressure on AT&T? Why didn't Apple invest some time, money, and manpower to help AT&T deliver MMS at WWDC instead of later this summer? The iPhone has a weak global appeal specifically in Russia, Europe, India, Korea, and Japan (not sure about China). WWDC isn't for consumer products? Please refresh my memory as to what was introduced and talked about at WWDC KEYNOTE again? New Macbooks New iPhone New pricing Showing off New Apps for the iPhone so that people can go buy them WWDC's Keynote is Apple's consumer trade show. It's a 2 hour Apple commercial and basically paints WWDC as a joke of a developer conference. Without the product introductions, how many people would attend WWDC? On Jun 12, 11:35 am, mgnozzio <
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wrote: I'd hardly say that it was a bad WWDC. Sure, it would have been nice to have ZFS included in Snow Leopard, but a $29 OS update that substantially improves a system's performance, delivers on Exchange support, and provides developers with new technologies that will lead to better, faster applications hardly sounds weak to me. Also, all Macbook Pros do have GPUs. They all have at least an NVIDIA GeForce 9400M and some also have an NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT. As for the iPhone 3GS, one can hardly fault Apple for the fact that AT&T is dragging its feet. The iPhone is a product with global appeal and even if it has limited appeal in the US as a result of AT&T's unreadiness for it, that doesn't mean that it's a let-down or that it won't bring in significant revenue in countries where HSPA is ready. Finally, viruses and malware? I don't know of any that are out in the wild that don't require that you enter an administrative password, let alone any major outbreaks. The decline in stock price probably is because of WWDC, but not because there was something wrong with the conference. WWDC is a developer conference that isn't focused on the release of consumer products. As investors, we should stop expecting new flashy products from WWDC and stop stop pretending that this is a consumer trade show. Instead, we should take the time to actually understand the significance of the technologies that Apple is developing, consider those technologies when we consider Apple's fundamentals, and treat any new product releases as icing on the cake. On Jun 12, 11:10 am, Draiko <
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wrote: It's all because of a bad WWDC Snow Leopard is weak (No ZFS, very few UI changes, etc..) Macbooks don't have swappable batteries anymore Macbook Product line is more confusing than ever to consumers (they're all Macbook Pros even though some have GPUs and some don't) The iPhone 3Gs was a let-down for the most part (Video recording, Voice command, and support for an HSPA network that's not even deployed in the US yet and won't be finished for another 2-3 years?!) Signs that people are getting bored with the iPhone and that Macs are actually getting attacked by viruses and Malware. The competition is starting to respond and the Pre is the first product that showed (to a small degree) that Apple-esque fad-ism doesn't require an Apple product. On Jun 12, 10:56 am, Susanni <
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wrote: I don't understand why there's so much selling. I thought AAPL is a bargain at $137ish.
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Stereo Bluetooth MMS support Cut/Copy/Paste Universal search (like the one already on Palm's WebOS) 3G tethering (like every other smartphone) Landscape keyboard Note Syncing Auto-Login in Safari (like what Opera mobile had for years) Voice Memo Bluetooth sharing Turn by turn GPS iPhone 3Gs new features: Video Recording 3 MP camera Voice commands All of the above features have been available to almost every other top shelf smartphone on the market IN THE USA for the last YEAR and have been on EVERY smartphone in Europe and Asia for SEVERAL YEARS... who's playing the catchup game again? On Jun 12, 12:14 pm, jai <
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wrote: Nobody should doubt apple's innovation and direction. The reason you know what other companies like MSFT, RIMM and Palm are doing is because they are always playing the catch up game. It took RIMM good 2 years to launch STORM and they are still not there yet with the product. PALM took good 4 years to come up something close to iPhone. MSFT is still trying to catch up with IPOD and all the other hardware vendors have failed to produce anything like MAC. In the meantime apple has dropped prices on the iPhone and they are constantly improving on the software as well as working on reducing the cost of manufacturing. As far as stock price is concerned I think this is a healthy pullback and you should see the stop to trade in $130's next week. However next will be the best time to buy apple too and mark my words apple is going past $150 in July. Palm on the other hand is up 1000+% and I will short the stock. They had limited supply of Pre to create the hype but you can walk in any store and buy Pre right away there is no wait. I don't think Pre is going to save PALM. RIMM is a good company and although STORM may not be iPhone but it is best suited for business users and I think the stock will trade in 90's in July. GOOG is another good company to buy for long term if you have money. On Jun 12, 6:10 pm, Draiko <
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wrote: Yes, you should trade the stock _base_d on how you feel about the company but don't EVER lose sight on the competition... EVER! Also, don't be afraid to recognize any weakness in your stock's strategy and/ or product/service lineup. In Apple's case, the iPhone 3Gs and Macbook Pro lineup have some serious overall flaws. Example: Apple's choice to take away a swappable battery on all Macbooks will kill the Macbook's business and poweruser appeal. These flaws are hitting right as Apple's competition is gearing up to hit hard with revamped products touting user experiences that meet or beat Apple's and feature sets that really bury anything Apple has to offer. Examples: More Palm WebOS devices and Apps, Netbooks, TabletPCs with multitouch, nVidia Tegra _base_d mobile devices, WiMax, Game consoles with online marketplaces that replace iTunes... Also, Apple's iPhone is severely hindered by AT&T. With WiMax hitting 13 cities in 2009 and expanding to 80 by 2H 2010, AT&T's 7.2 HSPA won't just be outclassed in speed but also in time to market. The iPhone 3Gs' 7.2 HSPA hardware works in fewer locations than WiMax right now and full 7.2 HSPA deployment won't complete until 2011 or 2012... which is when LTE deployment will BEGIN. Imagine a Palm Pre-like device that can browse the web at 13 mbps while in a car going 60 mph in Las Vegas. Imaging only paying $50 per month for that without a contract. Well, the network is already here and already live in Las Vegas, Portland, Atlanta, and Baltimore as we speak. The devices are coming very soon but not to AT&T... to Sprint and Clearwire. Where is AT&T's HSPA 7.2 available right now? Nowhere, they didn't even start the update yet. On Jun 12, 11:51 am, Susanni <
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wrote: I didn't know that by someone posting the stock will tank. Shouldn't we buy AAPL _base_d on how we feel about the Apple company and products? On Jun 12, 8:38 am, John Anthony <
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wrote: All I know is my call to sell aapl and buy MSFT has paid of big for anyone who wanted to listen. I called it on 05/11 check my posts and you will see. MSFT up 18% aapl 6%. Now aapl is in it's downward trend because it's a momentum stock and right now I would not commit new capital at these levels. I would wait till 120's and then see. Also you can wait till jb stops posting. Usually when he posts excessively the stock tanks . Jb is a known pump and dumper. On Jun 12, 11:29 am, JBMoney <
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wrote: Draiko, Another failure of critical reading... GROWTH TECH STOCK does not include MSFT, SPRINT, WMT and PALM, well PALM is like CROX. It can be up 20% today and down 30% tomorrow. Different. Take a gander at RIMM, GOOG, AMZN, GLW, CSCO, INTC, EMC, VMW to name but a few. I exclude MSFT because it has not been a growth stock for almost 10 years. It may become one again in the future, but Windows 7, ZuneHD and loss leader XBOX ain't gonna get it done. On Jun 12, 11:21 am, Draiko <
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wrote: That's kinda funny... Sprint, Palm, Microsoft, Walmart and a few others are all up On Jun 12, 11:20 am, JBMoney <
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wrote: ORRRRRR, it could be because almost every growth tech stock is down the same or more than Apple today in a broad sell off that has nothing to do with anything other than an absence of buyers and profit taking on a Friday. On Jun 12, 11:16 am, studio (n) <
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wrote: Wow, Draiko. Go post on engadget or somewhere else where all the fanboys post, and leave these forums for grownups plz.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text -
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