Its kind of a given thing these days but has any took a step back and looked at Sega's situation these days? A few years back and most people would never of believed Sonic would be anywhere near a Nintendo, fast forward to today and Sega are arguably one of the biggest forces in Nintendo's software line-up, if not the biggest, aside from Nintendo themselves of course, and here I am starting a civilised Sega topic in a Nintendo console NG. Given that I really got heavily into gaming in the 8/16 bit era (the good old Sonic vs Mario days) and yes, I was a Sega boy from the MS right through to the DC, it just amazes me how much things have changed. In many ways (and I'm sure plenty of people will disagree) Sega has been a much needed life-line to the Gamecube and I personally feel it would be in an even more dire situation if it wasn't for the likes of Super Monkey Ball, which although not obviously a console shifting piece of software, has converted numerous people that I know to the GC, far more than say Metroid or any other single game. I'm not sure what the real die-hard pocket of Nintendo fans think of Sega's involvement with Nintendo these days, but I'm sure even they (who I am sure said I will never touch a Sega game in my life many times back in the nineties) can't deny the importance of Sega in the world of Nintendo. Just my thoughts anyway, be interested to hear what thoughts people who grew up on the Nintendo side of things as apposed to my Sega upbringing have on the subject. Chris.

Just my thoughts anyway, be interested to hear what thoughts people who grew up on the Nintendo side of things as apposed to my Sega upbringing have on the subject. I think Sega thus far have been a one-trick pony for the GC.  Super Monkey Ball was fantastic, but SMB2....  Mehh...   After SMB everything else has been cheap ports of old DC releases - hardly inspiring stuff, really. However I'm really looking forward to F-Zero.  I'm sure it'll be fantastic, and therefore Sega (well, Amusement Vision) are possibly the most important second party developer at the moment.  The new Yuji Naka/Sonic Team platformer looks pretty funky as well, but I doubt it'll set GC sales on fire.

Its kind of a given thing these days but has any took a step back and looked at Sega's situation these days? A few years back and most people would never of believed Sonic would be anywhere near a Nintendo, fast forward to today and Sega are arguably one of the biggest forces in Nintendo's software line-up, if not the biggest, aside from Nintendo themselves of course, and here I am starting a civilised Sega topic in a Nintendo console NG. Given that I really got heavily into gaming in the 8/16 bit era (the good old Sonic vs Mario days) and yes, I was a Sega boy from the MS right through to the DC, it just amazes me how much things have changed. In many ways (and I'm sure plenty of people will disagree) Sega has been a much needed life-line to the Gamecube and I personally feel it would be in an even more dire situation if it wasn't for the likes of Super Monkey Ball, which although not obviously a console shifting piece of software, has converted numerous people that I know to the GC, far more than say Metroid or any other single game. I'm not sure what the real die-hard pocket of Nintendo fans think of Sega's involvement with Nintendo these days, but I'm sure even they (who I am sure said I will never touch a Sega game in my life many times back in the nineties) can't deny the importance of Sega in the world of Nintendo. I was more of a Nintendo fan than Sega back in the day, though I'll happily admit I considered many Sega games as guilty pleasures. These days, as I'm older and wiser, I see Sega games for the genius that they are and rate them behind only Nintendo as producers of consistent gold. I don't see them as saviours of Nintendo though. Beyond Monkey Ball, have they had any really big sellers (not counting F-Zero, it's not out yet)? Sonic isn't the draw he used to be (sadly), and the withdrawal of the Sega Sports series, whilst fairly immaterial to me, can't have helped Nintendo's profile in the US. I would say that Sega has been a bigger asset to MS than Nintendo. I agree that it's a strange world. Imagine writing to Mean Machines in 1993 and claiming that Sonic would appear on two Nintendo consoles within the next ten years. Rignall would have cussed you bad

I agree that it's a strange world. Imagine writing to Mean Machines in 1993 and claiming that Sonic would appear on two Nintendo consoles within the next ten years. Rignall would have cussed you bad Hehe, I was a Sega Power and MEGA lad (always thought the screen shots in MM were shite), anyway, how is Sega going on the GBA? Chris.

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